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	<title>Comments on: Too-successful pitbeef cart moves again, as councilman drafts use-it-or-lose-it bill for food cart&#160;licensees</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Portland, OR has well over a hundred food carts serving great, affordable food and offering a wide variety of food and an opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the restaurant business at a low cost.  

Their most successful carts are located in surface parking lots, where a dozen or so carts will line the edge of a parking lot, creating a little restaurant row with Vietnamese, Italian, Mexican, vegetarian, pizza, Southern food, and anything else you want.  

http://foodcartsportland.com/

I hope that this issue can move beyond this crazy disagreement to thinking more broadly how Baltimore can create more lunch options for downtown workers and residents and more employment opportunities for budding restauranteurs.  

http://wweek.com/editorial/3419/10525/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portland, OR has well over a hundred food carts serving great, affordable food and offering a wide variety of food and an opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the restaurant business at a low cost.  </p>
<p>Their most successful carts are located in surface parking lots, where a dozen or so carts will line the edge of a parking lot, creating a little restaurant row with Vietnamese, Italian, Mexican, vegetarian, pizza, Southern food, and anything else you want.  </p>
<p><a href="http://foodcartsportland.com/" rel="nofollow">http://foodcartsportland.com/</a></p>
<p>I hope that this issue can move beyond this crazy disagreement to thinking more broadly how Baltimore can create more lunch options for downtown workers and residents and more employment opportunities for budding restauranteurs.  </p>
<p><a href="http://wweek.com/editorial/3419/10525/" rel="nofollow">http://wweek.com/editorial/3419/10525/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Usha Nellore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usha Nellore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, the cart is being moved from site to site in the city so the hotel can prosper?  The cart customers wouldn&#039;t be the types to eat in the hotel anyway.  There must be a difference in the type of clientele and their eating preferences, between the two places.  Go poll the guys who eat at the cart if they would eat at the hotel restaurant,once the cart is moved to another location.  The answer would probably be a resounding, &quot;NO!&quot;  The two are simply NOT competing for the same patrons.  The cart&#039;s customers would go looking for the cart, come hell or high water, wherever it will be parked.  Let the cart be.  Let the folks of Baltimore fat and thin- drool over their Souvlaki or whatever it is they sink their teeth into at the food cart.  The hotel guy is ridiculous.  He should apply for money from the stimulus package.  Knowing Obama, he would probably send this hotel guy a couple of million dollars.  As for Cole, his legislation makes no sense, ditto for his argument in favor of the larger business.  Does he live in a capitalist country or in an oligopoly where legislators can argue that a large hotel deserves to be saved even if potential customers are rejecting it?  Should food cart vendors be allowed to squat on their licenses?  Why not?  People squat on domain names all the time.  The vendors should be able to buy, squat and sell their licenses when they see fit and legislators should let this food fight play itself out.  The hotel guy should be out there hustling.  Put a guy in a chicken suit or a pig suit or whatever, right next to the food cart.  Hand out some samples from the hotel kitchen to those at the food cart.  Give out some coupons to potential customers. Get a crackerjack chef to beat the food cart at its own game. For God&#039;s sake think up something other than getting Cole to jump to the rescue!  This hotel guy is an entrepreneur?  I shudder to think of it!
U Nellore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, the cart is being moved from site to site in the city so the hotel can prosper?  The cart customers wouldn&#8217;t be the types to eat in the hotel anyway.  There must be a difference in the type of clientele and their eating preferences, between the two places.  Go poll the guys who eat at the cart if they would eat at the hotel restaurant,once the cart is moved to another location.  The answer would probably be a resounding, &#8220;NO!&#8221;  The two are simply NOT competing for the same patrons.  The cart&#8217;s customers would go looking for the cart, come hell or high water, wherever it will be parked.  Let the cart be.  Let the folks of Baltimore fat and thin- drool over their Souvlaki or whatever it is they sink their teeth into at the food cart.  The hotel guy is ridiculous.  He should apply for money from the stimulus package.  Knowing Obama, he would probably send this hotel guy a couple of million dollars.  As for Cole, his legislation makes no sense, ditto for his argument in favor of the larger business.  Does he live in a capitalist country or in an oligopoly where legislators can argue that a large hotel deserves to be saved even if potential customers are rejecting it?  Should food cart vendors be allowed to squat on their licenses?  Why not?  People squat on domain names all the time.  The vendors should be able to buy, squat and sell their licenses when they see fit and legislators should let this food fight play itself out.  The hotel guy should be out there hustling.  Put a guy in a chicken suit or a pig suit or whatever, right next to the food cart.  Hand out some samples from the hotel kitchen to those at the food cart.  Give out some coupons to potential customers. Get a crackerjack chef to beat the food cart at its own game. For God&#8217;s sake think up something other than getting Cole to jump to the rescue!  This hotel guy is an entrepreneur?  I shudder to think of it!<br />
U Nellore</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2009/08/20/too-successful-pit-beef-cart-moves-again-as-baltimore-councilman-drafts-use-it-or-lose-it-bill-for-food-cart-licensees/comment-page-1/#comment-2994</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should read &quot;unused&quot; at the end there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should read &#8220;unused&#8221; at the end there.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2009/08/20/too-successful-pit-beef-cart-moves-again-as-baltimore-councilman-drafts-use-it-or-lose-it-bill-for-food-cart-licensees/comment-page-1/#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Bill since we dialogued a bit on this I&#039;ll post the outcome)

So to make this clear - say I want to sell hot dogs out of a cart. I apply for a vendor license, get my cart inspected by the health department, apply to sell on some sort of corner somewhere, and the corner is married to the cart license until someone complains and asks me to move? What I&#039;m really wondering here is, why aren&#039;t the cart licenses mutually exclusive from the use of the corners? It seems to me the whole reason that the hotel is in the situation that it&#039;s in now is because Mr. Yiannouris &quot;owns&quot; the corner that he&#039;s operating on and due to his previous success opened a restaurant and didn&#039;t operate simply because he didn&#039;t need to. If the license is separated from the corner use - as in, you pay your dues to the city and can hold onto the license, but if you don&#039;t use the corner within a set period of time it goes up for grabs again to another license holder. Or am I simply describing what you&#039;re proposing? The article doesn&#039;t exactly make it terribly clear how the whole system works. 6 months is far too short in my opinion in the event of family and financial situations - those could easily put any operator out of commission for 6 months to a year. Obviously there would need to be special circumstances to consider I would hope.

But it&#039;s a testament to Mr. Yiannouris&#039; shrewd business sense that he started operating again when he did; an overpriced hotel restaurant opens in a busy section of downtown, he has the rights to sell there and he&#039;s making a killing. Last time I checked we still operate in a capitalist society and if the restaurant is getting killed by a pit beef vendor, it&#039;s an issue of management on the part of the restaurants. Economics 101 - if they don&#039;t want to get killed, they have to compete. But it would seem, it&#039;s easier for them to give someone like you a call (no offense) rather than do the hard work of actually doing business. And I realize the city needs its money and watching these restaurants flounder is difficult to watch on the tax revenue end, but shuffling a wildly successful vendor from one corner to another until he can no longer do business is not the answer. Business owners need to learn how to be business owners, not whiners. (not even going to get into how it&#039;s more than likely prohibitively expensive on the tax end to run a restaurant downtown)

Getting back to the issue of Mr. Yiannouris squatting on the license - again, if he owns the license and pays his dues on it and someone else wants to use that corner, then they should have to BUY the rights from him. At least, that&#039;s how it currently seems to be. But if the licenses and the right to use the corners are separate, I see no issue with saying to someone like him &quot;ok you haven&#039;t used this corner in a year, it&#039;s time to put it up and let someone else (bid to) use it.&quot; He doesn&#039;t lose his cart license, and if he decides he wants to get back on the street, he has to go out there and find one again. Makes sense to me at least.


(as it turns out, my assumption about &quot;owning&quot; the corner was correct. So in that regard I agree with Bill, the corners in an used state are a drain to the city&#039;s economy and should be put up to the market. but the permits to sell food should be owned for life so long as the dues are paid)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Bill since we dialogued a bit on this I&#8217;ll post the outcome)</p>
<p>So to make this clear &#8211; say I want to sell hot dogs out of a cart. I apply for a vendor license, get my cart inspected by the health department, apply to sell on some sort of corner somewhere, and the corner is married to the cart license until someone complains and asks me to move? What I&#8217;m really wondering here is, why aren&#8217;t the cart licenses mutually exclusive from the use of the corners? It seems to me the whole reason that the hotel is in the situation that it&#8217;s in now is because Mr. Yiannouris &#8220;owns&#8221; the corner that he&#8217;s operating on and due to his previous success opened a restaurant and didn&#8217;t operate simply because he didn&#8217;t need to. If the license is separated from the corner use &#8211; as in, you pay your dues to the city and can hold onto the license, but if you don&#8217;t use the corner within a set period of time it goes up for grabs again to another license holder. Or am I simply describing what you&#8217;re proposing? The article doesn&#8217;t exactly make it terribly clear how the whole system works. 6 months is far too short in my opinion in the event of family and financial situations &#8211; those could easily put any operator out of commission for 6 months to a year. Obviously there would need to be special circumstances to consider I would hope.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a testament to Mr. Yiannouris&#8217; shrewd business sense that he started operating again when he did; an overpriced hotel restaurant opens in a busy section of downtown, he has the rights to sell there and he&#8217;s making a killing. Last time I checked we still operate in a capitalist society and if the restaurant is getting killed by a pit beef vendor, it&#8217;s an issue of management on the part of the restaurants. Economics 101 &#8211; if they don&#8217;t want to get killed, they have to compete. But it would seem, it&#8217;s easier for them to give someone like you a call (no offense) rather than do the hard work of actually doing business. And I realize the city needs its money and watching these restaurants flounder is difficult to watch on the tax revenue end, but shuffling a wildly successful vendor from one corner to another until he can no longer do business is not the answer. Business owners need to learn how to be business owners, not whiners. (not even going to get into how it&#8217;s more than likely prohibitively expensive on the tax end to run a restaurant downtown)</p>
<p>Getting back to the issue of Mr. Yiannouris squatting on the license &#8211; again, if he owns the license and pays his dues on it and someone else wants to use that corner, then they should have to BUY the rights from him. At least, that&#8217;s how it currently seems to be. But if the licenses and the right to use the corners are separate, I see no issue with saying to someone like him &#8220;ok you haven&#8217;t used this corner in a year, it&#8217;s time to put it up and let someone else (bid to) use it.&#8221; He doesn&#8217;t lose his cart license, and if he decides he wants to get back on the street, he has to go out there and find one again. Makes sense to me at least.</p>
<p>(as it turns out, my assumption about &#8220;owning&#8221; the corner was correct. So in that regard I agree with Bill, the corners in an used state are a drain to the city&#8217;s economy and should be put up to the market. but the permits to sell food should be owned for life so long as the dues are paid)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff T</title>
		<link>http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2009/08/20/too-successful-pit-beef-cart-moves-again-as-baltimore-councilman-drafts-use-it-or-lose-it-bill-for-food-cart-licensees/comment-page-1/#comment-2988</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just let me know where the cart is moved to. They ahve the BEST food a great prices and I&#039;d walk out of my way to get it.  I can go to ANY City bankrolled hotel and eat bad expensive food. But still...didn&#039;t anyone dealing with the hotel planing check any of this out PRIOR to opening up shop there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just let me know where the cart is moved to. They ahve the BEST food a great prices and I&#8217;d walk out of my way to get it.  I can go to ANY City bankrolled hotel and eat bad expensive food. But still&#8230;didn&#8217;t anyone dealing with the hotel planing check any of this out PRIOR to opening up shop there?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2009/08/20/too-successful-pit-beef-cart-moves-again-as-baltimore-councilman-drafts-use-it-or-lose-it-bill-for-food-cart-licensees/comment-page-1/#comment-2977</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, that&#039;s absolutely NOT what happened.  I was contacted by the GM of the hotel and then I immediately reached out to the Downtown Partnership.  They have been fantastic with dealing with these types of issues in the past and are well suited for handling these disputes.  I&#039;ve never met with the other of the hotel nor with the owner of the cart.

What I found fascinating here was that a person could squat on a license indefinitely.  So long, in fact, that a hotel and restaurant could be built in the meantime.

When another ideal corner was considered as a logical compromise here, that corner was blocked by a vendor who hadn&#039;t been there in at least six month.  That is why I was considering legislation . . . . even when there seemed to be a logical solution to this problem, that corner appeared to be blocked by another non-existant vendor.

Things change and evolve.  That&#039;s good, right?  In this case, that change has created a conflict . . . a conflict that should have already had a reasonable conclusion if another corner were freed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, that&#8217;s absolutely NOT what happened.  I was contacted by the GM of the hotel and then I immediately reached out to the Downtown Partnership.  They have been fantastic with dealing with these types of issues in the past and are well suited for handling these disputes.  I&#8217;ve never met with the other of the hotel nor with the owner of the cart.</p>
<p>What I found fascinating here was that a person could squat on a license indefinitely.  So long, in fact, that a hotel and restaurant could be built in the meantime.</p>
<p>When another ideal corner was considered as a logical compromise here, that corner was blocked by a vendor who hadn&#8217;t been there in at least six month.  That is why I was considering legislation . . . . even when there seemed to be a logical solution to this problem, that corner appeared to be blocked by another non-existant vendor.</p>
<p>Things change and evolve.  That&#8217;s good, right?  In this case, that change has created a conflict . . . a conflict that should have already had a reasonable conclusion if another corner were freed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Cole gets a phone call from some person from Marriott bitching about this lamb sandwich guy and immediately takes their side, simply because they have more money invested - not to mention the city money, tax breaks etc. involved in the creation of the Marriott in the first place. He&#039;s simultaneously pulling a favor for someone with clout, blatantly stating that the little guy doesn&#039;t matter, and even goes so far as to create a bill that is utterly unnecessary. Thanks Bill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Cole gets a phone call from some person from Marriott bitching about this lamb sandwich guy and immediately takes their side, simply because they have more money invested &#8211; not to mention the city money, tax breaks etc. involved in the creation of the Marriott in the first place. He&#8217;s simultaneously pulling a favor for someone with clout, blatantly stating that the little guy doesn&#8217;t matter, and even goes so far as to create a bill that is utterly unnecessary. Thanks Bill!</p>
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